57 Responses to U.S. Congress expected to vote on legislation authorizing war with Iran

  1. L Fields says:

    I think it’s time for the politicians to fight the wars they start by themselves or put their own sons/daughters at the top of the draft they would not be so damned anxious to start another war. America is becoming a war mongering country no wonder other countries hate us. We just cannot keep our noses out of other countries business. Americans are sick to death of war.

    • 9

      “The purpose of war is to destroy the products of human labor (to spur economic growth). The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous. Hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance. This new version is the past and no different past can ever have existed. In principle, the war effort is always planned to keep society on the brink of starvation. The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects and its object is not the victory over either Eurasia or East Asia, but to keep the very structure of society intact.” – George Orwell – 1984

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      “The United States, riddled with debt and with dwindling natural resources insufficient to maintain the operation of its own domestic economy, will likely find the incentive to stay involved in conflicts around the world- if for no other reason but to guard natural resources, and to keep its military forces diffused among the world’s hotspots. Paradoxically, as George Orwell alluded; war then becomes so continous and multi-generational that the American psyche will be taxed to scarely remember a time without one.” -The Extinction Protocol, page 457

      • atterro says:

        Hi Alvin.
        Hi Alvin

        So, the way i understand this. Is that humanity has literally been forced down a totally wrong course, lied to and lead to nothing but ruins, destruction and death and possible collapse of civilization.

        This little technological advancement we got, is used to serve very few, while majority suffers for it.

        I always thought of this. What purpose would those have, that died on the field of battle, or innocent people that were casualties of war. Immagine some of the children being a new ”Einstein” for instance, or maybe even something better, that were meant to bring humanity higher up to enlightenment. Maybe some of the mothers that died in wars, would have give the birth to a true leader, with the good heart, that would lead humanity on the right path.

        I think taking a human life, OF ANY kind, was a huge mistake humanity has ever done. That’s ONE line, humans should’ve never crossed. We are given the intelligence to understand difference between right from wrong. Yet people have abused their free will to destroy, kill, and all the other horrible things done.

        This is also why i believe, the earth has had enough, and is giving the signs of it’s begining of punishment towards the mankind. Soon or later, the evil that’s lived here for so long, will face the horrors, not even seen in their most horrifying nightmares.

        Thank you Alvin for everything you’re doing.

        You truly are a blessing to us all.

      • I couldn’t have said it any better. As a race, we have certainly taken the road most traveled by, and that has ‘unfortunately’ made all the difference. You’re a blessing to me. Thanks for the eloquent summation.

        God bless,
        Alvin

    • rmowery56 says:

      I absolutely agree with your comment. War is for the bankers….they finance both sides and they don’t care how many young men and women are killed as long as they are making money.

  2. Ron says:

    With all of the economic chaos going on all over the world, it’s only a matter of time before someone makes a move and then it’s game over.

    • Rose says:

      Your right Ron, we are on the brink and this will push us over. This will be one way to increase the budget, which we do not advise our senators and house to do, this is going to be our undoing.
      read Harbinger .

  3. John Durango says:

    We look with hope when “They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore.”
    We killed with stones,swords,rifles, bombs,hand grenades,bayonets, drones, atomic bombs, bow and arrows, spears, hand to hand combat and each side prayed to their GOD that they would be victorious…and since the first murder by Cain we still kill each other. I guess the message from Jesus is ignored ” Love God with all your heart, mind and soul and love your neighbor as yourself.”….

  4. Chris L says:

    I can’t believe it has gotten to this point… This really isn’t looking good in my eyes…

  5. Michele B. says:

    This situation with Iran; world economies dangling by a thread; increasing Fukushima radiation fears… and MORE! How many “balls” can this world juggle before before everything comes crashing down around us?

  6. Joseph t. Repas says:

    Yes, Alvin, you are spot on with that analysis. The U.S. Military has been nothing more than a mercenary outfit since Vietnam and you can probably include Korea with that also. I do not say this to put down any brave soldiers just that they were all unwitting pawns on a huge chessboard. Kuwait would be a more recent example.[ cheaper oil for protection ] Amazing how no countries have the money for war yet they jump in with both feet,yet, when it comes to reducing budgets it’s all about cutting assistance for the lower working class and helpless people.

  7. Dennis E. says:

    This is not good at all………. This could tempt a close ally of Iran to to do a pre-emptive strike in my opinion to protect its interest……………
    Just a thought…………

  8. Go to war with Iran… and the US will not have an election – ergo Obama stays in power…. how conventient. People pray for him and also for the Iranian people…….

    • Irene C says:

      You were reading my mind JustMEinT Musings.

      Not only is this frightening, it makes me angry. Here is a scenario that has been running through my mind.

      This is our election year. We either start or enter into a war. As a result, we are attacked, possibly from the inside. Total chaos reigns and Marshall Law is declared. Elections are suspended and Obama remains in power, perhaps for a long time.

      I believe there are powers behind the “throne” in D.C. who have been planning something like this for a long time. However, what these puppetmasters don’t realize is that they are also pawns of their father, the Devil. And they will all face judgement for being such willing pawns.

      O Lord Come

      • Kathy says:

        Amen.

      • Joseph t. Repas says:

        I agree with you Irene C and since he has had 3 1/2 years of peace with Israel if he needs to use Marshall law will that bring 3 1/2 years of bitter destruction as he forsakes Israel for power with the new elitist axis? all the while all hell literally breaks loose?

      • seve says:

        I was reading your comments and had this same train of thought only last week,all of a sudden Obama seems so keen to initiate action and maybe only after realizing he cant win the next election

  9. Texas Listening Post, Tony says:

    If the misguided leaders in the US go to war against Iran, war will be brought to the cities of the US. Show stopping targets will be replaced by: starting fires, damaging infrastructure such as water, gas, electric, basic industries and defense contractors. Forget airplanes more like subway explosions, train derailments, bridges being blown up,shopping malls targeted. The people in America will be afraid about everything. This is not to mention that we have an all volunteer military force that is having a low retention rate. Russia, China, North Korea with the Muslin world can bring down the US. The mighty British were stopped by 30,000 Boars the first large crack in the British Empire. A war with Iran could bring America down to a lesser power and even more hatred toward it by the rest of the world. Unless the US has an arsenal of “ultimate super weapons” I fear pain and sorrow meets our fate.

  10. jake says:

    the new American hobby…fear, and hatred of brown people across the world to get the population to comply with death.
    I used to not believe in the eternal struggle of good vs evil. that has since changed. when i was in the army, it became quite clear to me that militaries across the globe are used as nothing more than a blood sacrifice to whatever evil masters the elite class of nations worship. Troops are dehumanized, made to groom, dress, and act the same. Same haircuts, same routines, same uniforms from top to bottom, referred to on a last-name only basis, removing the personalization of the individuals first name in lieu of a blood-line reference.
    I would imagine it is all very similar to how live-stock were treated in the months before they were led to the altar.
    throw in the 70 million abortions in the US alone, and one might be scared to think of the future we have coming to us.

    • merle says:

      Jake you are right about war being a “blood sacrifice.” I know of an 18 year-old soldier who speaks about his heightened perception since he’s been in the service, and quotes Mahatma Ghandi “I am prepared to die, but there is no cause for which I am prepared to kill…. and then this youngster writes,”-Mabe I picked the wrong career field….” Out of the mouths of babes!

  11. I was at Bible study at a goodhearted but somewhat deluded church today. The people there believe all his is going to happen in the future when Jesus returns. By future they mean some time from now, not now or soon. This is a common opinion among church people. Laodicean church, I suppose, although they are passionate about helping the poor ad downtrodden so not exactly “not caring.” Just no Watchmen on their Walls.

    • Satan Drives a UFO says:

      I am curious as to why you think this Church is Laodicea?

    • Dan Sherwood says:

      We can start to understand that mentality if we read Isaiah 56:9-12. In the New Living Translation it says “Come wild animals of the field! Come, wild animals of the forest! Come and devour my people! For the leaders of my people – the Lords watchmen, His shepherds- are blind to every danger. They are like silent watchdogs that give no warning when danger comes. They love to lie around, sleeping and dreaming. They are stupid shepherds, all following their own path, all of them intent on personal gain. “Come” they say, “we will get some wine and have a party. Let’s get drunk. Let this go on and on, and tomorrow will be even better”.

  12. Rob says:

    Wait..sorry for the probably monumentally ignorant question here…but..Am I understanding correctly, from the comments, that our(for the first time in a while) being “in a Congressionally Sanctioned War” would suspend our election process?

    • So it has never happened, but can it? Of course there are arguments on both sides. While I read those arguments I realized real quickly that they were just opinion arguments. With the entire name calling and attacking, no one talked about any substance. Well he is the answer, yes it can happen. Will it is another question. I know everyone thinks no one would allow it to happen, but that too is another discussion.

      Now this can be done by using three parts of the constitution. First Article 4 Section 4: The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on APPLICATION OF THE LEGISLATURE, OR OF THE EXECUTIVE (WHEN THE LEGISLATURE CANNOT BE CONVENED), AGAINST DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. The second uses two parts; one is Article II, Section 1,and Clause 1. This one and another are used because there is a vague reference to Executive Power, and the other Article II, Section 3,Clause 4the declaration “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed”. The last two combined are what is known as an Executive Order. There are other types of orders issued by ‘the Executive’ are generally classified simply as administrative orders rather than Executive Orders. These are typically Presidential Determination, (Presidential)Memorandum (Presidential) Notice. Presidential directives are considered a form of executive order issued by the President of the United States some types of Directives are: National Directives, Homeland Security Presidential Directives.

      Now before we discuss the scenario under which this could happen, I know many of you are saying the Executive order is not constitutional. It is an interesting debate that has plagued Congress and many scholars for over two hundred years. Presidents have been issuing executive orders since 1798. Until the 1950s, there were no rules or guidelines outlining what the president could or could not do through an executive order. When President Harry S. Truman put all the steel mills under control of the United States, the United States Supreme court ruled the action was not valid because it attempted to make law rather than to further an existing law. By the way, out of every Presidential Executive Order that has been challenged in the Supreme Court, only two was overturned Truman’s and one from Clinton in 1995. Even President Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation was an executive order. Not many people know that. In all of history, only two executive orders were ever rescinded. Oddly enough both of them were rescinded by President Obama. One was signed by President Regan, the other by President G.W. Bush.

      Now before I lay this out, I want to make it real clear, I am NOT saying President Obama is going to do this. This is just a hypothetical in response to those that think it could not be done.
      http://americanview.hubpages.com/hub/Can-A-President-Stop-An-Election

      I personally believe Homeland Security has the power to implement this. Clare in Tassie

    • Prairiemae says:

      Perhaps it was the “Congressionally Sanctioned” part that really stunned everyone. When was the last time the government actually adhered to the Constitution and allowed Congress to declare war before the President did? What a concept!

    • Artoro says:

      It would be a little crazy for this administration to delay this election. But that in and of itself is a subject for another blog. We would need more space and time to blog.

  13. Doğan Rahil says:

    LOSERS are those who chosed to transgress the limits,,, those who remained silent despite seeing wrongs and injustice, those who covers the truth and only think themselves thinking they can do anything those who buy lies, those who do nothing to prevent harm that befall others …How many generations in the past GOD destroyed and long forgotten because they did wrong and evil…? All scripture says one thing ::::::::::::: And do not do mischief on the earth after it has been set in order. That will be best for you, if you have faith”

  14. queenie says:

    This is very troubling.lord bless us all.shalom.

  15. Artoro says:

    We can’t go to war with Iran. We don’t have the resources (people) to fight. Our SSAM’s (soldiers, sailors, marines, airman) are exhausted both in physical and mental terms. Our equipment is battered, and the logistical system is broken. We don’t have enough to cover the wars that we do now let alone a war with this nation.

    It will take well over 3 million troops (just for starters) to cover a conflict of this size. From the onset of the second Gulf War there were not enough troops. For the number that they deployed, these folks were ducks in a barrel. Imagine if another country wanted to evade California, and they deployed 100K troops, they wouldn’t make it out of Los Angeles.

    About 16M troops served during WWII (a war that we won remember), 1939-1945, at the peak of the Vietnam War just over 500K. If we started a war in Iran (remember that we are still in Afghanistan and everywhere else), we would have to reinstate the draft. Now that would get the American people involved wouldn’t it?

    • Speaking of reinstating the draft…remember this: http://wp.me/p1eYXc-56B

      • Artoro says:

        Alvin:

        I didn’t see that one when it was posted. Thanks so much for sharing that. You would be surprised (or not) by the number of people that are involved in that process. Many know who they are and what they are to do. Some people may not even know they’re involved, their work place may be the target as a whole. Some may be standing right next to you. It is big, many that are too old to do actual combat are tasked to hold the fort down (Rosie the Reviter types and such), while others will teach the drafted troops, and some will actually deploy, ie; doctors, nurses etc. They seem to be putting the pieces together.

      • Sure thing. I think you were right Artoro when you said it could change overnight.

    • Norman Smith says:

      Just to put the record straight, the USA did not win WW2, I admit that they did help, maybe they swung the balance in the Allies favour, but to say that you won WW2 is being as arrogant as the leaders that we all seem to be stuck with.

      Now whilst I think we will be going to war with Iran and others, I also think (my opinion) that it is unavoidable, I wish it were, as I have 25 years of Military service and 3 sons heading to the conscription age, Ive been to some pretty nasty places and some of my friends haven’t come home alive. However if someone is intent on hurting or killing you, how can you simply run away ? as a person it maybe possible, as a country ?? I thyink it’s a little harder to do.

      Do I want war no !!! Do I want terrorism no !!! but I don’t have the answers either I would not want to be in the place that our leaders find themselves either. Good luck for the talks, but it is only buying time.

  16. Melissa says:

    Very convenient this is being announced days before the NATO summit, which is a glaring example of the increased militarization of our country and the continuous chipping-away at our “rights”. NATO has been discussed widely as a stage set and ready for a false flag attack, especially with all of the “dirty bomb” talk. What better way to usher in a war with Iran than if we get “terrorized” with bombs at NATO? Who do you think they’d blame? Announcing this while everyone is rounded up there would be an ideal situation for some crazed terrorist, no? If you read enough about what is going on in Chicago with evacuation preps, hospitals not only doing dirty bomb exercises but actual prepping, it’s scary, and that’s just the tip of the iceberg. We long passed the slippery slope and it is all downhill from here, I’m afraid.

    • Dan Sherwood says:

      Alvin, what do you suppose would be the result if HARP was unleashed on Chicago this weekend? And do you think this is a likely or possible scenario?

      • IM

        The U.S. is already a target of electronic surveillance from a variety of countries including Russia, China, Israel, and Iran. An Ex-CIA chief said there are more spies in the U.S. now than during the Cold War. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ex-cia-chief-foreign-spies-u-s-cold-war-article-1.1078010

        Both Russia and China possess EMF and scalar technology, so in this age of technical marvels, we probably shouldn’t be surprised to discover that beams are criss-crossing the skies over the U.S. or pulsing through the internet but perhaps even more disconcerting is the potential for abuse where such weapons are used to put suicidal thoughts in one’s mind, spur people to fits of rage and anarchy, or to depress human reasoning. There is a reason why the Bible says: “Let this mind be in you that was also in Christ Jesus,” (Phil 2:5), only the mind and soul subdued by the Spirit of Christ, will be completely free of some of the world’s coming dark and corruptible influences.

  17. shockuhzulu says:

    I’ve been reading Revelation a lot lately. Not one word of God will go unfulfilled. The Four Horsemen are preparing to be released. And he who lets will let, and the seals will be opened.

    • Artoro says:

      Saddle up

    • The four hoursemen have already been released. We see it now in the new about financial crisis the world over, as well as war and rumors of war. The four horsemen have been around for sometime now..We are on our way to an end and a new beginning. Make no mistake, its written that war will begin in Persia(Iran) and it will be the end of things.. The United States will fail in its attempt to war with Iran as it will become a nuclear war in the end. It wont matter which country you live in, which continent you live on, or if your rich or poor, the effects will be felt by everyone..

    • jadetvm says:

      Should you believe in this modern-day prophet, then you will know that the seals are being broken, the 1st have been, and it’s now onto the 2nd… the 3rd world war:
      http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/second-seal-world-war-3/

  18. Frank in Africa says:

    For years I have meditated on the “seals” of revelation. When comparing to the words of Jesus in Matthew no doubt for me the first four seals are and have been open. It is the 6th that reads like a limited nuclear war scenario. What is happening worldwide with earthquakes, volcanoes, etc, along with these possible nuclear engagements, is so well described with that seal and after which comes tribulation like we have never seen before. The Bible is true. It seems that fallen man is determined to “help it out” as early as possible. Our U.S. government is blind and cannot see what it is doing. Pawns in a much bigger “chess game” and about to be checkmated if not careful.

    • Dan Sherwood says:

      These are still just birth pangs. You will know when all hell is about to break loose, this sign will be unmistakable. Rev. 7:1-3 “ Then I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds from blowing, so that not a leaf rustled in the trees, and the ocean became as smooth as glass. And I saw another angel coming from the east, carrying the great seal of the living God. And he shouted out to those angels who had been given power to injure the earth and sea, “Wait! Don’t do anything yet- hurt neither earth nor sea nor trees- until we have placed the Seal of God upon the foreheads of His servants.” So even though the four (no five) horsemen have been given their orders one at a time, it would appear that they all will pretty much start at or near the same time, that being shortly before the whole Sixth Seal shakeup thing.

  19. Sarah says:

    I am so tired of the war drums….This country needs to get over itself, bring back common sense way of running things, and get off the damn hampster wheel already, the ONLY way that is going to happen is if THE PEOPLE assemble peaceably and let CONgress know enough is enough…so where are you all?

    • rmowery56 says:

      I totally agree with you Sarah. Enough is enough. The big bankers need and want wars….they support both sides and come out smelling like a rose while thousands of young men and women are sacrificing their lives…..and for what? Let the peace talks begin!!!

  20. t.mALONE says:

    Joel 3:…Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up

  21. callyrox says:

    i love you all to death, and I respect all of the comments, but let me remind you that we are 1 species on this planet that is Floating around in a never ending Field of Galactic dust. home to Billions of Other species. We may kill, Which sure it may seem wrong to some But unfortunately we haven’t passed that primitive phase in our existence, Maybe once we are well into Aries things willl sette down, the 3,600 year period of Pisces seems like it’s never ending, However give it another 100 or so years :) .
    ,

    • marilyn says:

      There is enough spiritually aligned people on this Earth, now, to make a difference. The Age of Aquarius has dawned. The computer, has aligned like minded people, from all over the world. The world has become much smaller, as a result and The Extinction Protocol is informing us every day to what is really happening in our world, so hopefully WAR will no longer be an option and people will stand up for themselves.

      • callyrox says:

        Aquarius* sorry, i wrote that comment at like 5am and i hadnt slept, because i’m stressin over this WWIII stuff :|..

      • barbara says:

        War will no longer be an option or be needed when Jesus Christ returns to this Earth. But until then, there will be wars and rumors of wars.

      • callyrox says:

        It’s not the “People” who get the say, and it’s not the “People” who get to make these decisions. A majority of people on earth are still in deep slumber Regardless of Spiritual levels, It’s what’s fed through to us Via Mass media, Televised programming. For example, a 5 year old boy watches a horror movie like Nightmare on elm street or something like that, The plot for the Movie stays inside the boys head until he grows up, Which in the long run it makes him a Maniac Because in his Sub Concious (When he goes to sleep) It replays over and over in his mind.

        It’s taken some Incredibly Sophisticated Technology to be able to control the Mass’s like the Elite are doing today.

        Earth is nothing more than a game of chess to them.

  22. Daniel Lee says:

    I am amazed at the number of people who just don’t get it! In the real world a bully must be dealt with in the language they understand and if force is needed then so be it….Iran is that bully and we must deal with the challenge as expeditiously as possible and if necessary with force.

    Whether in the secular or spiritual world we are facing an evil that must be dealt with and whether we like it or not we (America) is the one nation (like it or not) that has the responsibility to at least make a positive difference in the affairs of the world.

    Yes, our country is far from perfect….but would everyone prefer the likes of a North Korea, Russia, or China determining what is best for the world. Think people….yes, war is not a game nor is pontificating and disparaging our leaders for the purpose of selfish personal or political agendas the way to help make a positive difference.

    Having served in the military I respect the opinions of others but really….can we afford to abdicate our role as the worlds (in the secular sense) last best chance for freedom. Freedom-58-Mustang

    • barbara says:

      Well said. You are correct. What if we had this attitude during ww2? When Hitler finished with Europe, he would have come after us. Same thing now, what people don’t seem to understand is…. That Iran wants us just as bad (maybe even more ) than they want Israel. If we stand by and do nothing, we will be next on their agenda.Iran is dead set on war. Ezekiel 38 &39 tell us that.

  23. olden1936 says:

    When is enough, enough?

    At what stage, if ever, do multi-billionaires decide that they have enough money and enough of the power that always accompanies money? Is it greed based in fear and insecurity that drives people to own more than they could ever use even during several lifetimes? At what point for the individual does unlimited power and abundance become meaningless? These are questions that have baffled the majority of non-multi-billionaire folks since time immemorial, and yet the fear felt by the few of losing generates the greed of gaining. In turn this is one of the main driving forces that shape the lives of those baffled majorities.

    What about those baffled majorities? Baffled majorities exist throughout the world in fact this planet is teeming with baffled majorities. A question any member of a baffled majority could ask his or her self might be, “If I became a billionaire would it affect my outlook upon life?” This would be an academic question very unlikely to be answered during that individual’s lifetime.

    Born as unique individual human beings why must we always find ourselves designated for the faceless roles of crowd-scene, expendable extras? What is it about owning large gobbets of money and power that entitles the ‘haves’ that own them to dictate and manipulate the lives of the countless ‘have-nots’? We all are born and arrive with nothing and eventually die taking nothing with us, so is the effort worth it?

    • Joseph t. Repas says:

      Hi Olden1936 ! Unfortunately people generally do not see the great equalizer called death until they are in it, then it is too late for them. Remember too that money is a form of power and with power comes responsibility but it is not only billionaires that forsake responsibility for their own lives but most people reject responsibility for their actions always blaming someone else for their problems while not really caring what their own lives are doing to others in a negative tone. The big sin of mankind is looking for rest from the troubles of Earthly life apart from God. That includes the poor person that needs the next drug hit, the billionaire that needs another capital gain on their investment to “secure” their wealth to the average Joe Schmoe that will do just about anything to get that extra pay every week. Those that lusted and have and those that lust to get are of the same spirit, that is why the Bible says it is the LOVE of money that is the root of all evil. [ not the obtaining of ].

      • olden1936 says:

        Hi Joseph T
        You are absolutely right that the evil root is the love of money not the aquisition of. We all are at fault allowing ourselves to be fooled by becoming totally immersed in the diversions of the physical illusion to the exclusion of what awaits us beyond the physical.
        Greed and selfishness are products of fear of the unknown.

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