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Terminal and spreading: Europe now facing most serious crisis since World War II
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BTW, downgrades of Hungary, Austria and Belgium are imminent
há 19 minutos
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And here we go again….
Europe is off to an ugly start with spreads blowing out everywhere, notably Italy (of course)
It looks like the 10-year yield wants to zoom back to 7%.
Other measures, like the French-German spread and the Belgian-German spread are blowing out quite markedly.
Italy’s FTSE MIB index if down about 2%, though that’s actually a little better than the 2.7% it was down earlier in the trading session.
US futures are heading for a decline.
There’s been some economic data out of Europe, most of it benign. French and German Q3 GDP came in right in line with expectations. UK inflation came in at 5%.
US futures are pointing to a modestly lower loss in the beginning.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/morning-markets-november-15-2011-11#ixzz1dmhaHgaz
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Polish bank system was downgraded, too.
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European Funding Crisis Accelerating http://tinyurl.com/d83535r
há 1 minuto
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You cannot fix this. There is not enough money available from the countries and banks to cure the problem, save cranking up the Euro printing presses and creating more money. This has not worked anywhere so far. The amounts of debt that have been incurred by most countries is so vast that even with a draconian austerity package and no other problems arising, it will take several decades to recover from.
But it is all intertwined and all countries are in debt, massive debt. When you are already in deep, it makes little sense to dig the hole deeper to loan more money to other countries who are teetering on the brink. In the end you just suck yourself down into the hole with them.
No one is going to be able to stop this. They are all spinning their wheels trying to prevent the inevitable. Too many years of politicians promising the moon to voters and scratching the backs of the heavy contributors to their political careers, and borrowing to deliver on their promises. Too many years of letter banking institutions and investment firms do things that would land the average person in jail on criminal charges.
The chickens have finally all come home to roost. People need to wake up and realize where this is going.
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” The amounts of debt that have been incurred by most countries is so vast that *even with a draconian austerity package* and no other problems arising, it will take several decades to recover from. ”
AGREED 100%.
The only ‘practical’ (??) method to get out of this, is to print more Euros, as KJ said.
However, if this is NOT done, the Eurozone and the rest of the economy, will go into a deeeeep ‘recession’ [read: depression] from lack of monetary fund$ to keep going.
So, are we going to Burn to death (hyperinflation), or Freeze to death ?? ( depression)
My money is on freezing to death.
In a very worst-case scenario, we could end up doing both.
– Nick
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Nothing can now prevent a debt crisis in Italy. Borrowing costs are set to remain well above their levels before the crisis. The finance industry will not soon reverse its extra margin call and even if it did, investors are not about to treat Italian debt as “risk free”. Ratings agencies will surely downgrade the country. If its debt is left to spiral down, Italy will be shut out of the bond markets. Its banks will become vulnerable, as their depositors and lenders conclude that they and the Italian state are likely to become insolvent. Contagion will spread across the euro zone. The end will come soon enough.
http://www.economist.com/node/21538161
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Just one of those mornings.
According to Bloomberg, the Belgium-German 10-year spread has just hit its highest level since 1993.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/jeez-and-now-this-in-belgium-2011-11#ixzz1dn0kRoHZ
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Bond yields are spiking across Europe, not to mention the spreads between Belgian, French, Spanish, and Italian bonds and German 10-year bunds.
To give you an idea, here’s today’s carnage in 10-year spreads (via Bloomberg):
Spain: +4.97%
Italy: +7.25%
Austria: +13.21%
France: +14.57%
Belgium: +10.60%
But there’s a simple reason behind this, other than simple market fear: the European Central Bank is drastically cutting its purchases of Italian and Spanish bonds on the secondary market, according to Spanish newspaper Cinco Dias (in Spanish).
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/reason-bond-yields-are-exploding-across-europe-2011-11#ixzz1dn3smQoJ
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I might add, the European Central Bank sets monetary policy for the Eurozone…
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“Rumours of imminent downgrade for Italy….3 notches at Moody’s.”
Probably not true…although the S&P US downgrade back in August started as a mere ‘rumor’. We’ll see.
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K.J. I agree. The problem is way too big and it looks like it is going to escalate very quickly from now on.
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I think the world is going to go from dining on steaks to eating rats before very long…
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Problem is, so many people refuse to give up their steak because they feel it’s their right to eat steak. So they continue to dig themselves deeper into a hole until it all collapses down on their heads. The logical rule for the day is – when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.
In the meantime, all the rest of us can do is watch and wait and pray we are well enough prepared.
Maranatha
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Rats? I’ll pass. Venison is better than hormone/antibiotic filled beef (or rat) anyway, and even I knew this was coming last year. I’m not going to starve, but some of you city dwellers may want to get out now before winter sets in.
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Beans anyone???
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I knew there was a reason I am vegetarian 🙂
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The world is controlled by very few men, and true Christians know who controls them. It’s all been planned and will run it’s course, sadly….it sucks. But the happy ending is right around the corner as well for all those who have their hope in Yeshua ❤
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The sooner we come to this reality; the better. The kingdoms of this world will not succeed power to Christ- hence that is why there is the Battle of Armageddon and why the Bible says, Christ will rule all nations with a rod of iron for “Thous shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.” Psalm 2:9, Revelation 2:26, 27
Christ followers reign with Him…
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Hello Alvin,that’s food for thought.
Warm Regards
Larry
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-15/jordan-calls-on-assad-to-step-down/3666352?section=world
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BBG headline of the day: Spain, France, Austria, Belgium Spreads End Near Records
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3.12pm: Today’s bond market paints a worrying picture for European leaders. The yields on the 10-year bonds of many eurozone countries have risen sharply, including France (3.66% right now) and Belgium (4.89%) as well as Spain (6.33%) and Italy (7.02%).
Louise Cooper of BGC Partners pointed out that these countries, and other euro members such as Austria, have seen their borrowing costs increase significantly in recent weeks. Countries outside the eurozone, though, have seen their bond yields drop steadily through 2011 — including Sweden, Denmark and the UK.
She explains:
Traders and investors are becoming more and more fearful of the outlook for the Eurozone, shown by two partially failed government bond auctions, fast rising borrowing costs for Euro members and a flight to safety in Switzerland.
Terror is stalking the markets and taking hold. Political leaders beware, this crisis is worsening and worsening dramatically. We still do not have the EFSF up and working properly, and no agreed way to “leverage” it to increase its firepower. The ECB is not in and buying sovereign debt in a major way and for the moment, it has no authority to do more.
Louise adds that bond markets are typically dull and steady, leaving the wild swings to the equities markets. And yet…
at the moment, its the bond markets that are proving so stressful and difficult. No surprise given that this is a sovereign debt crisis.
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Today has been the “most worrying day” yet of the crisis, says Mike Riddell, manager of M&G’s international sovereign bond fund, with France now suffering a “full-blown run” on its debt.
Riddell says the credit-default-swap market now indicates that the chances of France (and Austria, too) losing its AAA rating is now a near certainty.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/euro-health-check-rings-alarm-bells-aaa-france-011826911.html
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It’s time for a world without money.
About my Mom — she was part of “The Greatest Generation” — too bad they fell for it (i.e. put their blinders on)
I remember as a kid, constantly asking my mother about this “money thing”, cause she was always telling me it didn’t grow on trees. I would say “well, somebody makes it out of paper, so why couldn’t we make a money tree?” and then in her cute mom way, she’d say “well, that’s why we have our government — with all it’s “branches” that follow a system –called CHECKS AND BALANCES”, – blah blah blah
“But MOM if we didn’t have to worry about money, everybody would be the same”
“Well honey, some people work harder than others and they deserve to be rewarded”
(I bet she would have enjoyed reading me that bedtime story narrated by Samuel L. Jackson!)
and as I got older…..
“Well what about those kids who don’t have parents like I do — the ones you won’t let me hang around with? The ones you say aren’t going anywhere in life. The ones you say will have a bad influence on me if I hang around with them. Why do you suppose they don’t work harder?
“Well, it’s not that they don’t work harder — so many people out there are born into very difficult lives right from birth — a lot of times it’s not their faults. Don’t worry though, our government takes care of people in need”
Period. The. End.
Bottom line now that I’ve been on this earth for more than a half of a century: Luck Of The Womb
It’s time.
WIth all the billions of people in the world today, there is no reason why we all can’t “job share”. If you think about it, we would ALL be working significantly less and we would ALL be free to rejoice together on this big beautiful planet we call Mother Earth. In the grand scheme of things, our lives are over in a flash. This isn’t complicated. The self-appointed global rulers are the ones who are interfering with this unrelenting quest for worldly possessions. Casting ours away does not necessarily equate to a lower standard of living. This current “standard of living” has done nothing but force a way of life that deep down, most of us don’t really want. Besides, it’s all been accomplished by borrowing paper ‘money’. (Isn’t there a company out there called The Money Tree?) If we all just worked together on the local levels, the self-appointed rulers’ current lifestyles of the rich and famous would come to a screeching halt.
Let’s all go occupy our town greens and get to work. WE are not the ones trotting all over the globe, spreading this ‘new world order’. If we were, none of this would be happening. WE would be spreading peace.
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Peace is not what the end’s about. Not for those who really know what’s unfolding here.
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…Not to bring peace, but a sword….
Matthew 10:34-35
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http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/world/chinese-tv-host-says-regime-nearly-bankrupt-141214.html Chinese TV Host Says Regime Nearly Bankrupt China’s economy has a reputation for being strong and prosperous, but according to a well-known Chinese television personality the country’s Gross Domestic Product is going in reverse.
Larry Lang, chair professor of Finance at the Chinese University of Hong Kong, said in a lecture that he didn’t think was being recorded that the Chinese regime is in a serious economic crisis—on the brink of bankruptcy. In his memorable formulation: every province in China is Greece.
The restrictions Lang placed on the Oct. 22 speech in Shenyang City, in northern China’s Liaoning Province, included no audio or video recording, and no media. He can be heard saying that people should not post his speech online, or “everyone will look bad,” in the audio that is now on Youtube.
In the unusual, closed-door lecture, Lang gave a frank analysis of the Chinese economy and the censorship that is placed on intellectuals and public figures. “What I’m about to say is all true. But under this system, we are not allowed to speak the truth,” he said.
Despite Lang’s polished appearance on his high-profile TV shows, he said: “Don’t think that we are living in a peaceful time now. Actually the media cannot report anything at all. Those of us who do TV shows are so miserable and frustrated, because we cannot do any programs. As long as something is related to the government, we cannot report about it.”
He said that the regime doesn’t listen to experts, and that Party officials are insufferably arrogant. “If you don’t agree with him, he thinks you are against him,” he said.
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Here is an article by Harvard’s Niall Ferguson. It is called “Europe’s Disaster Headed Our Way”.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/11/12/europe-s-financial-crisis-is-headed-to-america.html
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There will be no winners in this. Case in point ——– If this can happen to a professional investor, who forecasts such trends, what will be the fate of the rest of the unsuspecting public?
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At any given time , any of us can have what we have worked and saved for taken away.
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It states in the article that Holland and Austria “are moving out”. Is that moving out of the Euro currency, or just refusing to help the bailout? The answer wont be good either way but just not clear on what that means.
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More keys left in the mailbox?
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Wait wait wait… isn’t the Vatican located in Italian territory? I would think the millions they make yearly would go towards the country they are in. Why not mention of that? I’m a little confused.
I had a dream a month ago that money became useless, gas was reduced to .20 cents a gal and we still couldn’t afford it. Technology was no longer an option. In this dream many walked on foot, grew their own foods and used animals for hard labor. At first it was such a crisis, but many turned to their neighbors to work for the things they needed.
I don’t know what any of this means, but perhaps our world is about to go through a change, and we need to learn how to survive. Have no fear!
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Hello Alvin, I was thinking of the prophecy, king of the north rolls over the king of the south and enters the glorious land, the gloryious land in Israel, original Israel, from the Mediterian to Hormuse, from Eurpfraties to the Southern seas.
The majority of which is Saudi Arabia, this is a lot of space, and it’s Gods personel space, whatever happens in the near future global conflagurations this area could be the safeist place on earth from WMD.
Fillade
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Considering that for every two green jobs that were created at a cost of 8000 euros and in the process five other jobs were lost the Spaniards can give a rousing thank you to the so called greens for the predicament they’re in now.
I do hope people there and in other countries learn a very needed lesson about how governments waste their and our hard earned money. If not we’re all are going to get a very rude and painful wake up call
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Has Juncker Gone Insane? Eurogroup Head Says German Debt Levels “Cause For Concern” http://tinyurl.com/cx3cbwq
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shut him up now: EU’s Juncker says Germany has higher debts than Spain but ‘no-one wants to know about that’
há 3 minutos
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Hey Juincker: read this – Spanish Spreads Hit Record Ahead of Auction Tomorrow
há 32 segundos
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Game over: CITIGROUP’S BUITER SEES RISK ITALY OR SPAIN DEFAULT IN MONTHS
há 2 minutos
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and boom: FITCH: EUROZONE CONTAGION POSES THREAT TO U.S. BANK RTG OUTLOOK
há 2 minutos
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At huge P&L losses in an illiquid market US BANKS HAVE CUT DIRECT EXPOSURE TO STRESSED EU MKTS: FITCH
há 2 minutos
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Hits…coming… etc… 1-Yr Euro Cross-Currency Basis Hits Lowest Intraday Since 2008
há 2 minutos
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It’s Official: Total US Debt Passes $15 Trillion http://tinyurl.com/7q6gc2r
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luisport – thank you for all of your updates. All I can think of saying is – OUCH!!
Maranatha
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European Bonds Are Exploding And Markets Are Diving
Things are going from bad to worse in Europe this morning. Italy’s bond yields hit a new high. French yields are hitting a new high. Sovereign CDS are widening.
And now Spain…
One of the original PIIGS that people have forgotten about for awhile is back with a vengeance.
It just held a 10-year bond auction, and according to CNBC’s Beccy Meehan, the yield was an eye-popping 6.975%.
Here comes 7%.
You can get a sense of Spain’s recent wild ride here, although this doesn’t even capture today’s big upward move in yields
Meanwhile, markets are in the red across Europe.
Italy is down 1.3%.
France is down over 1.1%.
And US futures — which actually had been higher earlier, to the tune of 0.5% — are barely clinging onto any gains now.
It case it weren’t totally obvious by now… IT’S TIME FOR THE ECB.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/spanish-bond-auction-yields-zooming-higher-2011-11#ixzz1dxeKqOqw
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We should all start preparing for certain inevitabilities. The horizon only grows darker from here….
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